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Different Types Of Lines and Applications For Bass
Fluorocarbon:
This type of line has advanced with leaps and bounds over the last few years. It used to be brittle, with poor knot strength and too much memory, but that has really changed. The best types of Fluorocarbon line are SUNLINE, Bass Pro Shops XPS and Seaguar .Berkley used to just have Vanish but now they offer several types of professional line. At first I hated this line but the formulation has changed and it has really improved, but i still think its inferior to the others. It is way more flexible and has better impact strength. I use Seaguar now for all applications except for big swimbaits and topwater. The price has come down on this type of line as well.
*Note* when tying a knot with Fluorocarbon make sure you wet the line well and tie it slowly as it is susceptable to friction.
Braid: The best type of braided line is SUNLINE FX2. I have tried just about every other one and this is what I came back to and stayed with.
The types of applications that are best for braid are flipping and pitching, especially around cover, and some people are happy with braided line for Rat L Traps and even spinnerbaits around heavy vegetation, although I don't use it for that myself, but it is a personal choice. I use a heavy braid when flipping or throwing a topwater like a frog into heavy mats of at least 50 pound test and many times 65. I would never use a braided line for a crankbait with a lip though under any circumstance.
Mono: The best application for mono with the advent of the Fluorocarbon and braid is relegated now to crankbaits and some topwater baits like a Spook or Popper. In most instances, there is really no reason to use mono unless you are crankbaiting. If you are using mono the best brand is BerkleyTrilene, SUNLINE, and McCOY.
I can get into all kinds of technical details on how the lines are manufactured, why each is better and/or different than the rest, different situations where you might prefer a braid or mono, etc, but if you just follow these guidelines for these applications you won't go wrong 99% of the time.
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fluro is the way to go. I use it for 60 percent of my fishing. 30 with braid and I still stick with mono for about 10 percent of my bassin | |
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I use fluro about 80 % 1 rod with mono (top water ) 1 rod with braid (flipping mostly ) | |
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I'm still using mono but just bought Vanish line. Is Vanish Fluorocarbon line a good line. | |
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Is monofilament a thing of the past now?
Last year, I spent the day out on the water with Elite Angler Skeet Reese and we talked about line selection for various techniques.
He told me he rarely, if ever, uses monofilament anymore.
Even for things like spinnerbaits where monofilament is often used for buoyancy reasons, he'd rather use fluorocarbon. For topwaters, he's taking the more modern approach to using braid on a glass rod.
More and more top anglers are moving away from mono, just like Skeet Reese.
Quite honestly, monofilament isn't nearly as useful as it once was. Fluorocarbons today are just as manageable as monofilament.
If you currently have coiling problems with fluoro, it's most likely brand-related. The good fluorocarbons don't give you problems these days like they did just 2-3 years ago.
I'll get to what the "good brands" are in a second.
=> What about Co-Polymers?
Co-Polymers are essentially hybrid lines (ie. A mixture of two or more materials).
The problem is most people think copolymer lines are a mixture of fluorocarbon and monofilament, which isn't true.
A Co-Polymer can be a mixture of anything. It could simply be a mixture of 3 different kinds of fluorocarbon.
I think what most questions about copolymers are about are the "fluorocarbon coated" lines.
These coated lines are marketed as having mono-like "handling", but with an outer fluorocarbon coating, which helps it be less visible underwater.
While the coating certainly helps "some"... it's just a partial benefit to what a full fluoro line offers.
I suggest using full fluorocarbon lines or full monofilament. They may be marketed as "middle-ground" versatile lines, but I'm here to tell you that full fluorocarbon is better in almost every instance than coated lines.
=> What brand fluorocarbon lines are best?
There are two brands that are a notch above the rest.
I have tried a lot of brands and one I like is Bass Pro Shop's XPS Fluorocarbon lines. I've fished with this for a couple years now with great success.
I continued to try different brands out of curiosity and found one that was even better than XPS...
That brand is Seaguar. Seaguar makes AbrazX and InvisX (also Tatsu), their top performing fluorocarbons. All are very good.
I use both a lot and don't really favor one over the other too much.
Bass Pro Shops runs awesome deals every now and then for its XPS Fluorocarbon line, so I'll try to take advantage of sweet deals when they arise.
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Thanks for the info. | |
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By Ron Klys Bassmaster.com
Every day on every lake is different. Techniques that fill your livewell on Monday are worthless on Tuesday. To counter this issue, I've developed several line and lure combinations over the years. They make specific baits act in specific ways. Hopefully they'll help you find the right bite. Fluorocarbon
1. I always use fluorocarbon line with my Berkley Gulp Sinking Minnows. Fluorocarbon sinks at nearly the same rate as my bait. This keeps it horizontal on the fall, which in turn lets it wiggle and shimmy all the way to the bottom.
2. When I want my drop shot worm to quiver in place, I rig fluorocarbon line to a StandOut Hook and a Berkley Power Finesse Worm. When I tap the top half of my rod with my finger the line transmits an irresistible wiggle down to the bait without moving it forward. This is a solid sight-fishing technique.
3. Fluorocarbon line works great on poppers when you want a soft, gentle action with very little forward movement. It pulls the nose down so that you can dance the bait in place without a lot of splash or popping.
Braid
1. Use braid with topwater lures — usually prop baits — when you want to pull the lure straight forward without even a hint of sideways movement. The unforgiving nature of braid will let you bring your lure back in a perfectly straight line, and it'll help you start and stop your presentation on a dime.
2. Braid is the perfect choice for hard jerkbaits in sparse grass when you want the bait to shoot forward suddenly and without warning. The forward thrust is instant. I don't care how hard you jerk with fluorocarbon or monofilament, you won't get the same action.
3. Combine braid with a fluorocarbon leader for a better feel with your Carolina rig. The Carolina rig is the worst setup on the planet for feeling a bite and knowing where your fish is when you set the hook. This really helps.
Monofilament
1. Mono is great for delaying the hook set when you're fishing crankbaits. It delays the feel just long enough to let the bass get the bait all the way in its mouth. I always use mono when my crankbait bass aren't slamming the lure.
2. Mono is perfect for fishing a soft plastic jerkbait such as a Berkley Hollow Belly Split Tail Minnow over schooling bass. The line stays above the bait as it falls. This allows you to pull the lure toward the surface with a sharp snap of the rod. With a little practice, you can learn to jump the bait out of the water. It'll look exactly like a panicked minnow trying to get away.
3. Use mono when you want the nose of a topwater plug to ride high, above the water's surface. Mono behaves very different than braid in this regard, although both lines will float. To develop a sense of those differences — and a sense of when to take advantage of them — throw two identical lures, one with mono and the other on braid. You'll see exactly what I mean.
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I still use mono for my topwater baits and some of my crankbait fishing and braid for flipping,frogging and trapping heavy grass to rip the bait free. The rest of the time its FLURO | |
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By Mark Hicks BASS Times Contributor
Life was simpler when monofilament was the only line choice. Then along came superbraid, followed by fluorocarbon. Each of these lines has unique properties, and advanced anglers use them for different applications.
Pure Fishing has complicated the decision by introducing Spiderwire Ultracast FluoroBraid, which incorporates Gore's expanded Polytetrafluoroethylene performance fibers. Unlike typical 100% Dyneema and Spectra braided lines, which float, Spiderwire Ultracast FluoroBraid sinks.
Conventional floating braids excel for fishing topwater frogs and toads. They're also widely used for punching through matted grass and Carolina rigging. With these subsurface presentations, heavy weights quickly pull a floating braid down and eliminate excessive bowing.
Because Ultracast FluoroBraid sinks, it is superior for penetrating grass and Carolina rigging. And, it opens the door to fishing lighter subsurface offerings, including jigs, Texas rigged plastics, sinking worms and finesse baits.
The advantage with a sinking line is that it maintains a more direct contact with your lure. This improves sensitivity, lure control and your hook set. This is one reason fluorocarbon line, which sinks, has become so popular.
The name FluoroBraid is a play on fluorocarbon's sinking ability. However, there is no fluorocarbon in FluoroBraid. It is a 50/50 mix of Dyneema and Gore fibers. FluoroBraid is offered in line tests of 10, 15, 20, 30, 40, 50, 65, 80 and 100 pounds.
Bassmaster Elite Series pro Michael Iaconelli experimented with FluoroBraid before it was introduced to the public recently.
"This is the biggest line innovation in years," Iaconelli said. "It will change the way we fish."
Iaconelli still opts for a floating braid with frogs and toads, but he goes with FluoroBraid with sinking lures. When he fishes thick grass and slop with Texas rigged baits, Iaconelli claims that there is a "night and day difference" between a floating braid and FluoroBraid.
This was most noticeable when Iaconelli pitched a 3/8-ounce bait to holes in the grass. But, it held true even when he punched through the greenery with a 1-ounce sinker.
"The bait sinks more naturally with FluoroBraid," Iaconelli said. "And, the line is so slick it casts great and gets in and out of the grass a lot smoother."
Iaconelli said he loves braided line on spinning tackle because it eliminates line twist problems. However, he doesn't like the way a floating braid hinders the sink rate of soft stickbaits and other unweighted plastic lures.
"With FluoroBraid, weightless plastic baits have a faster, more natural sink rate," Iaconelli said. "That makes a huge difference."
In tannic or stained water, Iaconelli ties FluoroBraid directly to the hook. In clear water, he attaches a 12- to 16-inch fluorocarbon leader to the braid with a nail knot or a tiny swivel. He believes a swivel makes his bait look to a bass like a little fish chasing a smaller fish.
FluoroBraid was in R&D for more than two years before it was deemed ready for the fishing world, according to Clay Norris, senior product manager for Spiderwire.
"The diameter of FluoroBraid is about the same as Spiderwire Stealth Braid," Norris said. "It also has the same strength and low stretch of Stealth, and it has excellent abrasion resistance."
These are all worthy attributes, but Norris stresses that the biggest benefit of FluoroBraid is its ability to sink like fluorocarbon.
*Notes From Steve the owner*
Now this is a great line from what I have heard, but I also am using the new Suffix 832 Braid for my jigs and worms this year as well as the line stated above. I suggest you give these lines a try this year for all your jig fishing and flipping and piching soft plastics. I am still using a Power Pro Braid in 50-65 lb test for the topwater frog baits though, and SEAGUAR on the rest where I have to. You can get the lines mentioned here at a discount and free shipping on most orders and at the same time support the site and be eligable for free baits from us just by clicking here before you buy at Tackle Warehouse.
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I have looked around online for some feedback on this flourobraid product. I found it on the spiderwire website is all. I am very curious as to how this product performs for deep water shakeyheads / football jigs & T rigged plastics ? I do intend upon using a 5' flouro leader of 6#- 20# w/ an albright or uni to uni connection.. | |
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Winner of Best Fishing Line at the 2010 ICAST Show
Sufix 832 Superline is the strongest, most durable small diameter braid on the market. Constructed from 8 fibers (7 Dyneema plus 1 GORE Performance Fiber) at 32 weaves per inch, Suffix 832's R8 Precision Braiding and advanced fiber technology deliver superior strength, roundness and line consistency. The Gore Performance Fibers (from makers of GORE-TEX) improve abrasion resistance, increase casting distance and accuracy, and also reduces line vibration, while the Dyneema fibers provide increased strength and sensitivity, as well as, superior hydrophobic protection and a smaller diameter. Stay ahead of the curve with Sufix 832 Braided Fishing Line in Lo-Vis Green.
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Comments: The best braided line I have ever used! When they say "Advanced", they me it. It casts like a dream... Excellent knot strength... Extremely durable and tough... Not to mention you feel every "tick". So even the most subtle bite doesn't go unnoticed. You owe to yourself to pick up a spool. I will never pitch or flip without this stuff spooled on again.
From: Jake: Wichita Falls, TX
Comments: I try it last week, and put it instead of the normal Sufix Braided; it feels thinner and is stiffer, actually it's a little bit harder to cut, but the handling is great and I took two fishes out of the water in the hookset... another great Sufix product.
From: Alejandro: Torreon, Mexico
Comments: Just got some in today. Would like to say that it feels very promising spooling it up. Did a little fine tuning in the front yard with the new line and it casts amazing, without that terrible tearing sound you get from most braids.
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I will be testing this line as soon as the water gets soft:roll: | |
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Member Posts: 1 | I use Vicous fluorocarbon 90% and go to braid for dropshotting and top water | |
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Thanks for the info, ill be giving the seaguar fluro a shot this year. | |
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Just so you don't make the same mistake I did I went cheap and got 8lb Vanish Fluro and the stuff was horrible this is no lie on my first cast I lost my jerk bait. I figured it was something with my knot a wile longer got snaged in some weeds and lost another one. So then I started to throw 5in senkos and broke a couple of by just casting after that i took it off and now have have a spool I will never use. | |
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Well, right when we finally thought we had it figured out, along comes the latest findings from a long study on lines conducted at Oklahoma State University by Rudolph Miller and Fred Janzow, and now we again must rethink what types and what colors of line to use in different scenarios. The largemouth bass in this study were presented different colored lines, one of which offered a food reward, and once the bass became conditioned to the reward, the food was taken away to see if the bass would still go to the correct line. "The fish reacted to the line colors corerectly", Miller said. "The study proves with certainty that bass can discriminate between line colors". Miller noted that during the testing, the bass did not go to the high=visiblity orange line as much as the other colors. It wasn't clear whether the bass couldn't see it or didn't like it but further tests with anglers using different line colors showed a much lower catch rate with the same orange line. This along with the tank tests concluded that the bass had a negative reaction to the orange line. According to Keith jones, author of Knowing Bass:The Scientific Approach to Catching More Fish, scientists believe bass see colors in the red-green spectrum best. Studies at the University of Kentucky confirmed bass can discriminate shades in yellow-green and yellow-orange, but blues and violets tended to offer bass the most trouble. "If Bass see mid range colors best, why would we think bass have trouble seeing low-vis green lines, or even camoflaged lines? Transparent blue-the color we normally associate with cheap monofilaments-may actually be the least visible! Besides reducing overall light levels water acts as color filter absorbing some light wavelengths more than others, and the colors that are absorbed change depending on water clarity. In really clear water reds are the first to be absorbed, but in water that is filled with decomposing material from plants the blues and violets are absorbed quicker, making reds,oranges and yellows more visible. Different water conditions should influence what color lines you should use. In clear water, you want clear line, and in water that has a green tint or a lot of vegetation, you want a low visibility green line, and in muddy water even a high visiblity line shouldn't have any real effect on catch rates. Jones and Norris also said that if an objects color is absorbed by water, it doesn't necessarily become invisible, instead it is seen as grey or black.Red line does not disappear, it just fades to grey as the light is filtered. He said "red Hooks, lures,and beads have been used for decades by anglers to attract bass", "it would make sense that those things become invisible but still serve as an attractant" Now in regards to Fluorocarbon line: It has the same refractive index as water, but that doesn't mean it is invisible! Later some line manufacturers started adding a green tint to the Fluorocarbon line similar to the low-vis green mono..apparently, invisible isn't good enough? Fluorocarbon bends light at the same level as water, but that does not make it entirely invisible. The surface of the line is smooth, and may have a shine or sparkle to it. Tinting the line takes away some of the shine. Green tinted Fluorocarbon has out-performed clear fluorocarbon in all the field trials! If you are burning a spinnerbait or bouncing a crankbait off off submerged structure the line could be bright neon pink and it would not have a huge impact on your success! Whe you are power fishing it is much more important that you can see your line to cast accurately and detect strikes. PURE FISHING may have the answer to a line that's easy for an angler to see and hard for a fish to detect--- SOLAR POWER Berkley scientists borrowed a page from lens amnufacturers and added a photosensitive tint to clear line, creating TRANSITION FLUOROCARBON and TRANSOPTIC Monofilament. When exposed to light, these lines become bright gold, but as water filters out the sun, the pigment fades to clear. It takes 30 seconds to a minute for the color to change, depending on how much light the lines been exposed to. The gold is easy to see above the surface but it is hard to see below the water. Take this as you will, but think about this in relation to the type of water you are fishing, and what type of presentations you are using when selecting the line this year in mono and Fluorocarbon both. YOU CAN VIEW AND PURCHASE THE LINES DISCUSSED IN THE ARTICLE BY CLICKING HERE<<< Article reference source, bassmaster February 2011, Randy Zellars Invisible link | |
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Nice article, bass anglers already knew bass could discrimanate between colors. Has anyone here tried that transoptic berkley line before? I still will not use a line that i can see in the water like any red or the fireline. Cody no cheap lines here. I just cant find a fluro i am happy with yet. | |
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